It is a smaller 8 in sweep brace, a most useful size for most tasks
The Stanley No 923 was manufactured from 1905 until 1984.
It has a box ratchet and earlier models had alligator jaws.
Made in sizes from 6 to 14 in in 2 in increments.
Steel construction, nickel plated, cocobolo handles.
Average value $10-50. I paid $5 at a Flea market for mine.
6 in size $50-100 (because rarely seen)
John Walter's book prices
Stanley No 923-8
Also stamped BT Co, which stands for Bell Telephone Company.
This model was used by Bell linemen and service guys...for good reasons
The ratcheting mechanism is covered under Patent 2,485,991
Applied for 10 Apr 1946
Granted 25 Oct 1949
2 jaws chuck, closing tight
This chuck has two springs.
You can see one peeking out on the side of the chuck
It does not sport the usual Alligator grip on the jaws,
like the earlier models.
Note that this type of jaws are designed to hold square tapered bit shank, not round ones. As a result they are sometimes found with vise grip like, scored marks on the chuck in a futile attempt to grab on solidly round shank bits...Please don't do that.
These jaws were made under US Patent 1,880,521 which covers the spring arrangements.
Applied for 13 Sep 1929
Granted 4 Oct 1932
Chucks that uses springs should allowed the jaws to open and close smoothly when you open/close the chuck. Often they are sticking, because of roughness inside the chuck shell and/or accumulated grit and gummy dried grease. Both conditions easily fixed.
This is a Made in Canada Stanley
This small size, 8 in sweep, is probably the most used in cabinetmaking. The smaller 6 in does not comes up very often, while the 8 in and 10 in are very prolific out there. An indication of their all around usefulness.
The patent dates on it dated it from 1949 at the earliest, probably early 50s.
I used to keep a a small Millers Falls of that size on my bench, but it had some issues (worn out ratchet) This is my new 8 in going into my boring till to replace it.
Bob, about to go on a short road trip with Jean, the grand peanuts and Rudy.
Good thing I had the AC fixed in the car :-)
Checked my brace that I bought in 1975. It looks like the 923 but it has some plastic parts in it. It's a Stanley model A02-922 with a 12" throw. Maybe I should buy one of the 8 or 10 inch bell system ones I see all the time. Will the 923 work with my tapered end shank auger bits?
ReplyDeleteHi Ralph
ReplyDeleteYes it will and do a good job at it. If you come across ex Bell system tools, grab them, they are good stuff
Bob
So what happens with old braces like the one that has a worn out ratchet. Is it good for nothing anymore? Maybe just for collectors?
ReplyDeleteI have one of these and have been really happy with it. I like that it's gearing is enclosed and that the chuck collar is a straight barrel, so it's easy to sight along it when you're trying to follow a set square or something.
ReplyDeleteHI Matt
ReplyDeleteNO worn out braces are no good for collectors, they tend to prized pristine examples. There are no shortage of these old braces around, when looking for one, pass on the dud and the worn ones and go for a good users. They are plentiful and cheap...still
Bob, back home with Jean, the grand kids an Rudy
Hi Paul
ReplyDeleteYou make a good point about the straight barrel chuck and sighting along. Note however that not all braces of the same model always sport the same type of chuck. The bulbous Barber chuck for examples shows up more on the older ones (late 1800s early 1900s) then changes along the years with the new and improved (?) models
Where can I buy bits for a #923 ? TY....
ReplyDeleteDoes the 923 chuck have an internal race riding in ball bearings as shown in the patent? Isn't apparent from the disassembly pictures here.
ReplyDeleteHi unknown.
ReplyDeleteSorry for delays responding just seeing it now. They long stopped making those taper shank bits, but they are plentiful to be found at yard sales, fleas markets etc. You just have to look and rummages thru boxes of screwdrivers, chisels and assorted metal bits. And yes, you can often buy complete sets of bits (usually 13) at various old tools dealers Good luck
Bob
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI've restored one of this recently, and I can't figure out if I am missing a spring in the chuck or not, you mentioned in this article that there should be another one, but I just can't figure out where it should be, as from the patent I can't see it.
Can you help me out with this? As I would love to have it complete.
Here you can see a picture of it disassembled:
https://preview.redd.it/bwnnh1qaldj81.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=336b3af95f54ba30804529525ef73f12e4bda6a1
I have just one spring that holds the chucks, as you can see.
Thank you!
Hi Bogdan94
ReplyDeleteNo you are correct there is only one spring, just like you have. Reread my entry, yah its a bit misleading, will correct.
What I meant to say was there is often two springs, that one has both "spring's leg" attached together, not always the case. This method is simpler and just as good but it also makes it harder to loose the small springs sometimes used.
Bob