This is something I long put away purchasing but lately I decided that I needed reinforcements in my sharpening regiment.
Full disclosures, I have two (2) hand grinders, two (2) 6 inches 3450 RPMs grinders with a bunch of accessories and a full complements of most hand sharpening systems known to man. So why add this one?
Conveniences and speed. I have never been a fan of hollow grinding on a grinder. Much prefer a flat bevel. Then there is the flattening of the back.
Normally I do all that by hands, using my flat granite runway or a piece of tempered glass or a flat stone tile. Problem is I have this small problem with tools. You see, my magnetic personality tend to attract rusty tools of every kind and after all these years, I have a "pile" of tools that need sharpening :-)
So I long looked at various powered sharpening system to give me a hand.
Like I said, I am not a fan of hollow grind, so wanted something flat. I have used my belt sander in the past to flatten my chisel's backs and yes, sharpen. Years ago there was a few Japanese waterstones machines, that used a flat revolving stone, but if you ever used waterstones you know they are messy and they wear fast, requiring constant flattening.
Since then, another kind of flat sharpener has arrived using a flat platen with PSA adhesives sand paper disks.
That leaves me with two options: the Veritas sharpener and the Worksharp 3000.
Both machines works very well, I have sharpen a few tools on the Veritas system previously. I like it very much but it is a tad pricy for me to justify. But Dear, I have over 140 planes and 47 chisels, I need help :-)
A planned intervention to make me part with my tools is a non starter, so... :-)
Worksharp made two models, the smaller and faster spinning 2000 (discontinued) and its bigger brother, the 3000, which run slower enabling us to use interchangeable glass platen. You can also make MDF disks to use and the machine can becomes a power strop by using a leather covered glass platen.
And it also has two somewhat unique features:
A port to sharpen your chisel and iron blades at a fixed angle, adjustable in 5 degrees steps from 20 to 35 degrees in 5 degrees increments and the ability to sharpen under a slotted disk enabling you to see your edge being sharpened. Used mostly for turning gouges and carving tools. Gimmick?
Oh no, work pretty good.
My only quip with that sharpening port is that the piece of sandpaper used to removed the burr when pulling chisel back is only 400 Grit, which leaves scratches on my much higher polished back.
When you first start to sharpen your chisels, you will probably encountered a somewhat skew grinding pattern. What most people are reporting when first using. Don't panic yet.
You can adjust the port ramp up/down on one side to correct, but LEAVE IT ALONE.
It comes already adjusted square to platen. There are two main reasons for this results.
1- If you push harder on the chisel, thinking it will grind faster, all you are doing is forcing the chisel more into one side of the abrasives. Just a light touch is all you need.
2- It is very probable that your chisel was not grinded at exactly 25 degrees, or may be bellied after repeated hand sharpening. And since we touch up the back, we may have introduced a slight angle vis a vis the other side. Keep on grinding and it will come out sharp and square. IF NOT, THEN you can touch up that adjustment.
Soon, I shall have ALL my chisels sharpened for probably the first time in my life :-)
The down side, if there is one, is that you spend a lot of time swapping platen.
I put down a different grits on each sides, so two grits per platen. Whichever grit I'm sharpening in the underside port, I have, half the time, a higher grit on top to touch up my back. The machine comes with 4 grits: P120, P400, P1000, P3600 and 2 platen.
Being Pressure Sensitive Adhesive (PSA), you need to clean the glass platen prior to sticking the abrasive disks to ensure good adhesion all over. I used Isopropyl alcohol 99%, but I'm sure the more common 90% would work just as good.
Interestingly, the grits provided are from Norton and they have both Ceramic oxide and Aluminum oxide disks. The Ceramic oxide, if you can find them are to be preferred over Aluminum oxide. Because they do not load up as fast and last longer and yes cost more, but still a good deal. I do not think everyone would have to sharpen that many chisels as I have, all at once, often, if ever :-)
Since my coarsest grit is 120 and I have lots of vintage that need a good "work out", I need something coarser to go faster. 80 grits or so for metal removal, not wood. Wood sandpapers works but they will load up and wear much faster.
Been looking around to see where I can find suitable abrasives disks, besides from Worksharp, and curiously, the better deal happened to be from Busy Bee Tools (where I bought my machine) and the OEM disks package from Worksharp. They worked out at about Can $2 each, not cheap but very good abrasives. Some aluminum oxides, but lots of Ceramic oxides ones also in their packages.
There were once a bunch of promising attachments that came out to increase the WS3000 versatility:
A flat outrigger platen to use a hand sharpening guide, a removable higher guide bar to used Tormek accessories, a knife belt sander attachment etc.
Sadly all of these are now long discontinued :-(
The only remaining accessories left are the leather honing wheel and various other grits, not provided with the machine.
BUT, wait, there is more...
By now, you are probably thinking: Man, that must be a popular machine?
And you would be right so a few shop made build have returned those earlier lost advantages.
I believed it all started with the original Stumpy Nubs Worksharp station.
I like it and I am going to build something like that, but I would flip the design around, something like that
If you Google it, you will find all kinds of variations on Stumpy original design. I will probably end up with something incorporating a few features of each and maybe add my own twists to satisfy my needs.
Something else that is very promising, is the ability to used the Tormek accessories by adding a suitable horizontal guide bar.
For those that do not know, Tormek is a Swedish based manufacturer of a very good and expensive wet wheel sharpening system. It uses a 10 inch wheel (T7 and T8)
But all I need is the bar, plus some of the accessories.
The bar itself is available as an add on accessory to be used on other grinders. But you guess it, being from Sweden, not cheap, Can $93 LV
I do not know if the Tormek patents recently ran out, but there seems to be no shortage of similar cheaper machines, all coming out of China on our stores shelves. While all similar look alike to the Tormek they have two (2) major differences with the Original, besides the obvious quality differences in construction, especially the cheaper plastic wheel for the honing side.
1- They all sport a reversible switch for the motor. Smart thing when going from grinding to honing on a leather surface.
2- For some idiotic reasons, they do not all sport the same sizes diameter spindles for the stones and leather hones as the original Tormek. When they do, they open the door to a large variety of options like various grits, waterstones, CBN wheels etc., when they don't, you may get by with shims or not depending if under or over size spindle.
You can see it being reviewed here , here in Canada at our local Canadian Tire hardware stores, they have their own version but the best one I found so far AND fit the the correct sizes for the Tormek is the King Canada machine which is also well priced, along with its own version of the Tormek adapter's.
Its only minus is that it does not featured the threaded rod and nut on one of its post. Notice in the above picture, the Wen does.
The biggest problem with these types of wet wheel sharpener is the water bath. You must soak the wheel before using and you should never leave the wheel wet in the water bath for long period of time or it will unbalanced the wheel, the wet part becoming heavier, abrade faster and... Other than that they work fine.
Coming over the top of the large 10 inch wheel also open the door to many creative attachment to handle practically anything, from scissor to axes, drawknifes you name it.
So by combining the bar and the various guides we can do a lot more on the Worksharp 3000, but curved blades like an axe would still be problematic since we are using a wide flat surface versus about one to two inch short surfaces of the 10 in vertical wheel in the Tormek.
Finally you can also get CBN wheels for both the Tormek and the Worksharp. That tell you that these two sharpening systems are popular.
https://woodturnerswonders.com/products/cbn-discs-for-work-sharp-set-of-3 may seems expensive, but you never have to buy sandpapers again.
In the mean time, for me its back to the drawing board to finalized my proper sharpening workstation(s).
Hi Bob, the WS 3000 is a great addition to a shop sharpening arsenal. I love mine. I bought additional glass plate and other grits of sandpaper. I also bought the extra side table with the guide for large blades. Up to 3”. Works great. Thank you for sharing this info. Take care. Bazz
ReplyDeleteHi Bazz
ReplyDeleteYes I knew for a long time, I needed one :-)
Lucky you you got the table and the guide for large blades, both long gone :-( Its too bad they abandoned some of their add ons, they made a good machine great. Is it perfect? NO, some have reported excessive wobble, noises etc. Mine works fine out of the box, will see how it fared after doing all the dirty sharpening deeds around here.
But for now, I need a break from sharpening :-)
Cheers
Bob
I enjoyed reading this blog a lot Bob. I had a workshop 3000 and initially I like it. I even bought extra glass wheels and diamond grit discs. It sharpened ok but I don't think it held the edge for long. And it wore out the discs in one spot. Stumpy's setup looks like you would avoid that problem.
ReplyDeleteGot a Tormek too that has been collecting dust for a few years. I'll stick with the LN honing guide and my diamond stones.
Oops. Forgot to say that I sold the 3000 and all the stuff years ago. Still have the Tormek.
ReplyDeleteMy first power tool was a Wen router, carefully selected to match the budget of a 13 year old. It was a lesson in price vs. value. You couldn't take a cut with it because the cheap housing couldn't be tightened enough to keep the motor from creeping down in a cut.
ReplyDeleteHad to do a few more lawns to get the Craftsman, which I still have (but don't use).
Those giant Tormek kits seem over the top. Even with tiny Canadian dollars $2000 seems too much. The basic T8 will cover most woodworking tools. Maybe get something for turning gouges if you need it.
I'm curious how accurate the worksharp is for flattening. Looking forward to a full report.
Yes Ralph, effectively you can cover a lot more of the disk surface when going free hands over it. I can use the bar as furnished, but I'll get better control with my side clamping jig, which I can then move on to my stones for final polish without changing anything = Repeatability.
ReplyDeleteNot sure why you felt the edge did not last long, but guessing it was never brought as sharp as you now know how to do it. Regardless of how we get there, without overheating and loosing the temper, it should makes no never mind. It is far from being perfect, there is wobble, which change a bit from disc to disc, but so far so good, it works as advertised. Will it last? It will be getting a good workout for a little while longer :-) will see. As good as the Veritas? Not even close, but you are looking at a Can $200 differences in prices. But overall, the price/effectiveness ratio is darn good.
It's a keeper and recommended despite its shortcomings.
Bob
Hi Steve.
ReplyDeleteMy first power tools were Black & Decker and when I bought my first it was Sears best Craftsman, ooh ahh. Router had the dumb collet machined on the motor shaft. Once it slip, you are toasted. No collet to replaced but the whole motor. The scrolling jig saw, I could rarely keep it locked, it was easily fouled by sawdust and it always had a red leak (oil) even after two trips to the service center for warranty works. I learned a lot from this experiences and been researching my tools a bit more closer ever since :-)
Flattening the back on the WS3000? Not bad and rather quick, but I need something coarser than P120. It is a bit touchy at first, although slow, it still revolves around at 580 RPMs with no load. It is too easy to dub the edge or nick the back near the ferrule when landing the tool flat, well back first the tip the edge down. I don't go nut and stop as long as I have a good flat area along the whole edge. A lot faster than by hand and safer (for the chisel) than using a belt sander. I'll let you know how long my initials feelings for that machine last :-)
Bob
While not having 40+ chisels like you, I still have a bunch, something like 25 or 30 of different type, being mortise, firmer, bevelled, skew etc. But what I realize quick enough not to get more is that I am mainly using 5 of them at most and keeping them sharp enough takes me 2 minutes max on a strop before using them. I am not convinced that a Tormek or similar would provide much value to me but this is personal thought.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct Lionel, we only need a few chisels, hence why I have a "few" :-) It does not take too long to touch up a once sharp chisel, but in my case, trust me, it's a God send
ReplyDeleteBob
Bob,
ReplyDeleteWish I had known you wanted a Worksharp. I gave one with most of the accessories away not long ago. As I've been posting recently the Tormek has become my goto machine.
BTW, I know the TMC (Too Many Cutters) problem well.
ken