Tuesday, February 2, 2021

The mighty plough plane

 

Or plow plane in the US.

Here is a tool that doesn't get much love anymore.  True, some where rather showy and expensive, often used as presentation piece.  But for the usual working man, they may not sport all the bells and whistles, be a tad cankerous to adjust the fence straight and parallel to the body and stay there !

Nonetheless, they are still useful in your modern tool kit.  Especially if you ever try to cut a groove with a dado set on a table saw on smaller pieces and would like to keep all your fingers intact.

My wooden Plows.  From L-R
Okines, London 1740-1770 (one of my oldest tools)
G. Davis, Birmingham England 1821-1876
Greenfield Tool Co , Greenfield USA 1851-1883
All of them are shown with their irons removed.  
They are also shown in the order I acquired them

They are quiet, efficient and yes, do not takes much time to cut your grooves.  Because they are set rank. Hint, the cutting end is rather stout.

So lets have a look at common ailments and how to address them.

Disclosure, this blog is the result of a back and forth conversation via Messenger with a friend who just acquired one.  

My friend in question.  Did not realized until he mentioned it
 that he was on the latest Lee Valley catalog cover..  It's a small world after all (sing along :-)

With his permission, here are the pics of his new acquisition.  These next 4 pics from Sylvain, Bazz, Bazinet.  We met years ago in Ottawa.  We were both members of The Ottawa Woodworker Association and the Outaouais Valley Wood carvers .  If you have such clubs were you live, highly recommend joining one.  If you want to see what a sharp tool looks like, ask a carver, we are fanatics about our cutting edges.  Fun fact, we look at the cut surfaces left by the tool when critiquing carvings :-)

Auburn Tool Co NY 1864-1893.  
Model No 90 Handled plow plane.
Yes it is missing its irons.


Notice the fence is skewed a bit

Yes, it is a tad grimy and would benefit from a light wash.
The plane body and fence are Beechwood, the arms Apple wood and the locking nuts Boxwood


For comparison, here is a "new" one from Jim Bode site

And here is a rarely seen plow plane :-) (same Auburn model).
Yes the fence is mounted up side down... Why, oh why?
If you do not know how a tool work, please do not take it apart :-( 
From Rubylane antique

What I normally used to cleaned the wooden parts of my tools.
Not shown is the first thing I use to clean them Murphy oil soap

And the stuff I used to clean the metal parts.
Missing is AUTOSOL which I used last to clean and protect.
Krud Kutter I used first before dunking parts in Evaporust, making it last longer.
The two sizes containers of Evaporust, I used in the past, 
now I only buy it by the jug having a "few" tools to clean :-)
I keep the empty containers to re-used the stuff many times and 
not putting the dirty stuff back in my clean jugs.
BTW being loaded with iron particles once used up, it does wonder to kill some weeds and keep your grass greener :-) Yes, very safe

There are wood and metal plow planes, for this entry we will be focusing on the traditional wooden plows.

They originally came with a graduated set of 8 tapered cutters. Most often, they will be found in the wild with either one single blade already installed and the set long separated and MIA, or none at all.

My Harlequin set of plow cutters.
Some are sneck irons, some are straight.
The sneck feature is at the top, enabling you to tap the iron backward to reduce the cut. 
Not all irons have it and his Auburn does not.

 Can we get replacement blades?  YES, singles or sets often shows up in tool mongers inventory. Expect to pay about US $100 for a complete match set.  Expensive?  As with all antique tools, supply is limited and spare parts will cost you more than what you pay for the tool.  And if you are lucky you can sometimes spot them in misc. box of hardware at flea markets sales.  Often mixed in with chisels and screwdrivers.  I always rummage thru those and found the occasional good chisels without a handle for peanuts (pocket changes)  And yes the odd plow cutter.  Hint look for a groove in the back.

HOWEVER not all irons will fit your plows.  First they are tapered.  That meant that unless you have the right taper in conjunction with the tapered wedge and the ensemble fit nice and tight in the tool body, we have a problem.  You may not be able to chinch the blade down securely or be able to adjust out enough blade to cut.  Remember we want to set it up for a rank cut (thick shavings)

Look how thick the tapered iron is at the cutting edge.
I measured mine, most are 5/16 in thick and tapered down to 1/8 in.
I have what seems to be an oddball that is only 1/4 in thick at the cutting edge

Three solutions: 1- Make a new wedge (easier) or 2- Replace the iron. Easiest, if you have another, or 

3 - Modify the iron to suit (not recommended).

Another issue, is the centering slot in the back of the iron.  These were hand cuts and it shows.

Common issues: The slot is not straight up and down, the slot does not match the plane sole (metal plate on side, call the skate) or is offset enough to cause problems.  Iron should fit the skate and be centered

More often than not the slot is too narrow to fit on the sole plate.  That last part is crucial to ensure a good solid fit that will not be deflected in use.  I repeat, for proper operation the slot must engage the sole piece.  That is actually easy to correct, more latter.

Poor centering caused by a thick plate unable to
 sit inside the V groove in the back of iron

If your plane did not came with a set of matching 8 graduated cutters (as they are most often found) you can get by with an Harlequin set.  Meaning the set is made up of various makers, which may or may not fit correctly.  Don't panic...yet :-) 

A complete match set of plow planes irons from 1/8 to 5/8.
1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16, 1/2, 5/8
Notice how the cutting end is cut narrower, 
the top of the blade cinch down by the wedge remain constant width.
That is done to keep the cutting edge centered on the skate   
Pic from Jim Bode tools

An easy way to address the centering problem with the iron slot not engaging the skate, is to simply file the skate in a small V shape.  CAUTION, go easy, keep it centered by using the same amount of filing on both sides. It DOES NOT NEED to be wide nor coming to a point (sharp) and you DO NOT want to shorten the skate.  We just want to taper it down to engage the V slot in the cutter. Stop often to check your progress.  The skate does not need to fully seat inside the groove, it just need to register. You can also widen the groove in the back of the cutter with a saw file (triangular) In both case remove just enough to make it register.

Of course its would be easier to remove the skate first, but caution, the screws may be really rusted in place and they may snap on you.  A bad thing :-(  Shoot them with a penetrant liquid, let it sit for a while, scratch the slots clean  and make sure to use a proper fit in screwdriver.  If it does not budge STOP leave it alone and regroup.

Notice how the iron slot is not really engaging the skate.
Skate edge is way thicker than the narrow slot.
That could cause the iron to be skewed under pressure during the cut, ruining your groove.
Remember we are taking a thick shaving.

Other issues to look at are the body.  Is it flat or curved?  It must be flat.  Similar for the metal sole plate (skate) and the fence.  Note that the body sides are not too critical, they can have a small hump or hollow, but we want to spot the bowed ones.

I'm using my LV winding stick to check it.
Plenty straight, we do not need machinist precision.
The long shallow U shape piece of metal is the Depth "suggester". 
Yes, I know, its called the depth stop, but as in most planes, wood or metal, they offer more a suggestion than definite depth stops :-) Some like on his Auburn have a screw on the side to lock the setting.  Remember to loosen it before attempting to reset it 
Check its operation.  While the sole of it is steel the screw mechanism has a brass knob 
on top and they sometimes froze solid.  
DO NOT force it, try lubrication, WD 40 or liquid wrench should do the trick. 

and the other side.  Good to go

Next check the skates alignments.  
In this pic, the front plate is not quite in line with the back one
There is a slight bend toward the cutter.  Either remove and fix or simply file it straight, gently.
In my case it so small as to not cause me any problems. So I left it alone.
Only catch is, as you get down to the smallest sized iron, it could cause you some grief.
But being an old military man, I tend to pick my battles wisely. 

Similarly check the fence surface bearing on your work edge.
They get wear and are sometimes damaged.

My almost 300 years old Okines has a damaged tip on one side of its fence

Which someone long ago try to fixed with two nails.
That poor thing need a lot of tender loving care, but because of its age and rarity,
 I must be very conservative in my attempts to fix it.
Not a plane in my user stable.


How is the fence adjusted and locked in place? There are no shortage of patented ideas to solve the vexing problem of getting the fence to move straight with out skewing and to lock it down once set.

Once unlocked, the fence should move smoothly without much wobble.  Often times, the arm get lodged solidly inside the plane body since they are a tight fit to start with in a bid to minimized the play.  Years and years of improper storage and the wood swell and shrink causing it to jam.

My Okines had its arms pretty well stuck for years, managed to take it out yesterday.  Its been acclimated to my shop for years by now and I run a dehumidifier near my plane till in the summer. 

 

Its arms are secured in place by a small wedge, one on each sides.
Notice the round finial at the end of the wedge, same shape as the blade wedge.
That is one clue about its old age, they long changed to a more elliptical shape 

Next take a look at the arms that hold the fence.  Often times they are wobbly and can twist.

The G Davis has loose rivets securing the arms to the fence.
Notice the one on the left is slightly twisted out of true.
With the fence removed, there is a lot of play in the arms

The method most often encountered is a single screw from the bottom.
This is the Greenfield one, my woody user.

You can see a small gap, but the screws are tight and so are the arms.  
Its been working fine, not touching it.


Must make them secured.  But I will caution you about wanting to glue down the arms to the fence.

I never seen them glued, just secured by either a rivet or a screw.  You want them tight, but guessing without being glued down and secured via a single fastener allows them to flex a bit as needed without cracking as the body and arms swell and shrink.  You also have a cross grain situation if gluing.

How do you adjust it without being skewed?  Simply place a piece of wood or what have you of the correct width against the plane body and snug up the fence to it. Easy Peasy.  I usually used a piece of wood since it very easy to trim to the correct width.

Then there is the often damaged means of locking the fence down. 

Damaged thread on spindle and or wood nuts, missing or improper replacement wedges 

(as in the G Davis above) etc,

Typical small damages on the threaded arms.
Notice the small chips on the threads.
Nothing serious.  
Missing or heavily chipped (big chunks) threads however are a non starter.
Cannot be fixed :-(

This is how another friend of mine, Matt, solved a problem with a stripped thread portion.  Cut if off and reassembled.  Yes shorter arms but at least useable

There is not much we can do about damaged threads, but as long as the nut can move in and out without binding, we should be good.

Next looks at the locking nuts.

See that darker coloured vertical line on the nut.
When I first saw it I thought it was a drip of paint.
Nope, its a filler to stabilized the crack.
Not my repair

From the top

and the bottom.
Crack ran right thru

Of course that extra space that has been filled has enlarged the inside diameter
 of the threaded nut, but it still work great, and yes it has a bit of play, but chinch tight..
How about trying to clamp the split portion tight while gluing?  
Danger, Danger Mr Robinson, you will more than likely break it

If left alone nut would had cracked apart and probably would had been long discarded, rendering the plane useless.  If you want to try this type of repair caution do not force whatever material too tight, you run the risk of making it worse, or break it apart. Smaller checked cracks can be secured with glue, either crazy glue or epoxy depending on crack width, but be careful not to get glues on the threads and take the nut out first, you do not want to glue it to the arms.

Thinking of making your own or repairing damages threads with a wood threader kit?
3/4 in is just about the right size...

... but the thread pitch is different.
That is the Woodstock threader kit sold at various woodworking tools supplies house.

Don't forget to also inspects the two flat locking nut

That one has a crack also (Boxwood) but still strong and work fine.
Notice the flat side goes against the plane body


While the face with some decorations, goes on the outside.
I often see them installed backward.
But I never saw a plow plane with its fence installed upside down
 before this morning while researching them :-)

Missing wedge or wrong replacement.  You are going to have to make a new one.  Don't sweat it, its not that complicated.  If you want to be period correct for the plane, take a look at the original finial at the end of the wedge, or if too damaged or missing, simply look it up on line, chances are you will find pictures of your plane.  The wedge shape at the end often helps denote a particular maker and period.

The actual angle of the wedge are typically between 5ish and 7 degrees ( in my humble experiments).  But remember that the wedge AND the blade make up the final taper.  

Hard to measured.  Tried various tools, this one was the easier to read.
about 6 ish  degrees for the Greenfield

The two others I could not measure because the finials are sticking up from the incline.
So I lined them up on a flat surface and trying to see if they were close to each other

As you can see, with the Greenfield in the middle,
The one in back G Davis, is steeper than 6.
The one in front, Okines is about the same as the Greenfield , 6 ish

Armed with this knowledge, make a graduated set of taper shaped in thin plywood .  Says something like 5.5, 6. 6.5, 7 degrees, that would help you get the angle of the tapered mortise.  But remember that space is occupied by BOTH the wedge AND the blade.

Another way to guesstimate it close, is to shove in a wad of aluminum foil.  Carefully remove and you get the shape.  That is what I use to figured out the taper of socket chisels.  And writing this I think I`m overdue to make myself a set of graduated templates.  I have a few planes in the cue awaiting new wedges :-) 

Be prepared to make a few adjustments, but remember to keep the surfaces straight and level.  On moulding planes you have to sometimes account for a titled mortise, but on the Plows, these are rather straight forward (pun intended).  If you never tried making wedges, try on a Plow first, lot simpler.  

The other critical part of the wedge is at the end.  When shaped correctly it help curve out and expel the shavings on the side.   Look at the pics above by the angle levels, they are all shaped different.  Since it is sitting much higher than say a molding plane, it would not be too fuzzy and trap shavings under.   


These 3 following pictures are the wedge from the G.Davis plane.  It was originally broken in two, long ago, someone attempt a repair by nailing it back together and using hide glue...and made a mess.  Not sure about the wood species, but it is rather hard and brittle.  The end is polished to a glassy shine.

So when I got it, I try to excavated most of the nail, but I had to leave a piece of it.  I made sure nothing interfered and glue the pieces back (3 and a bit) with epoxy. Its working fine.  I retained the original.

On this side you can see the one glue line.  Does not look too bad...

Until you flipped it over. That nail made quite a mess resulting in a few compound cracks.
Nearly destroyed it but the other end of the nail being clinch over, kept it together long enough 
for me to salvaged it.  I have no idea when that ham-fisted repair was made.
That is the surface that lock the blade down.  I made no attempts to disguised the repair.

On the other side, I was not able to completely remove the nail, so to avoid more damages, I simply left a piece of it then filed it down flat later.  Oh, that rusty nail shine inside :-)

On the other side, you can se two glue lines.
Its been to war and back, and still work


Once you have assessed its condition, look up the maker's marks on it and do some research to get some idea of its rarity or not, BEFORE attempting any corrective actions.  If its a common one (Auburn and Greenfield models shown), I will not hesitate to do some more drastic repairs.   Some are really, worth a lot of money, I would then temper my enthusiasm for repairs and preserved as much as I can.  Even if that mean, I cannot fix it without...  Lots of plow planes were presentation pieces.  Congrats you just made your own :-)

Good news is next time you will know what to look for before purchasing and know how to address common issues.

Bob, getting his BP under control with help from Dr Rudy.

Who then carry on with Diva, either she needs it or not :-)


Bob, who really appreciate that little diversion from Sylvain and the one my friend Chris send me chasing down the ID of an old Canadian military ammo can from 1944.  Very cool, I'm now firing on 5 cylinders, one more to go in this old V6 and just like my former Lincoln engine, my water pump is inside :-)




24 comments:

  1. Great post Bob! Thank you. Will be very useful to restore my new acquired plow plane.

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  2. You are very welcome Bazz, glad I could help. It was a nice needed distraction :-)

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  3. Here's one plough I won at a Woodcentral benefit auction eight years ago:

    Union Hardware No. 245 Boxwood Plough Plane, with Irons

    
DESCRIPTION
    This auction is for a Hermon Chapin (Union Factory) screw-arm plough plane with matched set of 8 irons. The irons are marked John Moseley & Son, London, numbered 1 through 8, and are all from a single owner (J. Sims). The plane is solid boxwood. The irons fit the plane correctly with no adjustment to the wedge--wedge is original and unaltered. The plane has some brass inlaid into the fence: the letters 'G' and 'H' (owner's initials apparently), and a cartouche. There are a few cosmetic apologies: bottom leading edge of fence has a chip out; wedge has a ding in the scooped-out section under the finial; screw-arm threads have an assortment of dings. I will call these out in the photos. None of these affect function--plane is dead-sound functionally. I have used this plough recently and it is an excellent performer.
    The plane adjusts smoothly; wedge fits the irons; depth stop is smooth; nuts on arms turn smoothly and tighten securely. The screw arms on this plane will position the iron--even the 1/8" iron--as close to the fence as you want. You can plough your groove as close as you want to the edge of the board, or even cut a rough rebate to be trued with a precision rebate or shoulder plane. A screw arm plough will hold its settings faithfully until you make a change--it can't be knocked out of alignment. This is sometimes useful when you want to keep a setting until a project is done.

    The plane bears the B-mark and B-wedge profile shown in American Wooden Planes, 4th Ed., pp. 83-84. Judging from the mark, the plane could have been made anytime between 1828 and 1901, when the H. Chapin/Union Factory firm was merged into a new firm, Chapin-Stephens. The Union Factory where this plane was made was located first in Pine Meadows near New Hartford, and later in New Hartford, CT.
    What's in the box? Four items: The plough plane; a single-owner set of John Moseley irons, numbered 1-8 in original tattered red felt tool wrap; a new and unopened Lee Valley canvas tool wrap (as a replacement); and a maple board with test cuts for each of the 8 irons. You will need to obtain a small hammer to adjust the snecked irons and remove/set the wedge. Only a light tap is needed to seat the wedge.


    ACTUAL IRON SIZES
    On vintage planes, the cutting widths of irons vary from their nominal values. Here are the actual cutting widths, mic'ed and verified by test cuts in the maple board. Normally, ploughing a groove is like cutting a mortise, in that the plough iron and mortise chisel fix the width of the cut; the tenon and tongue are then sized to fit. However, I mention these actual values for those who work in precise nominal values:
    1 iron: 1/8" minus 5 thousandths.
    2 iron: 3/16" plus 4 thousandths.
    3 iron: 1/4" minus 1/100.
    4 iron: 5/16" + 1/100.
    5 iron: 3/8" minus 1/64.
    6 iron: 7/16" minus 4 thousandths
    7 iron: 1/2" minus 1/100.
    8 iron: 9/16" minus 1/64.

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    1. Here are a few links to the plane:

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/78661951@N07/sets/72157633813439431

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  4. Nice tip with the aluminum foil. I have a couple of molding planes that need new wedges.

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  5. The Sylvain you refer to here is somebody else.
    I have chosen this name for (woodwork related) internet because:
    - it is my 6th first-name, and
    - it is linked to words like silviculture, sylvestre etc.
    Sylvain is (the French version of) the Latin divinity of forest. But , in cas you wander, I don't think about myself as a divinity.

    In my view a plough plane is a tool to get after a #4 and a router plane but before a rebate plane and other bench planes.

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    1. Yes Sylvain, it is another Sylvain :-)
      Bob

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    2. Sylva is one of my family names. I do enjoy being in the forest..

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    3. Actually it's Silva but you can call me Dumbass.

      Been reading the French version for too long

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  6. Some great stuff here, Bob. Thanks. You mentioned in photos of the Auburn Tool plane that the fence was skewed a little bit. Was that intentional? Should a plough fence be skewed. And if so, what is the benefit?

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    1. Oh no skewed fence are problems maker. Hence why i simply used a piece of wood of my desired width as a quick guide to snug up the fence straight. I mentioned it because it was apparent and something to avoid.

      Like i used to say to my students years ago after decoding 32 bits instructions thru the processor circuitry and finishing by: Clear as mud ?

      Bob, back in the days when we actually fixed computers by swapping small circuit boards inside the UYK-7 and AYK-502 (Canadian version of US AYK-10) Those were the days :-)

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  7. I have a 19th century polo plane. When I lay a straightedge across the bottom edges of both the front and rear skates, there are gaps. Should these two edges be parallel and have the same distance from the bottom of the plane body?

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  8. Yes Steve, those two skates are effectively the sole of the plane. Hence they must line up co planar and at same height. If not you will run into problems.

    Bob

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  9. Wow nice plow you got there Denis. Thanks for sharing.

    Bob who has not been on Wood Central for a few years. Too much drama :-)

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  10. How many passes to make a groove with the Auburn?

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  11. A couple of things...
    A tapered iron that is 5/16 thick can be the same taper as a 1/4 thick iron if they are different lengths. Eventually a 5/16" iron will become 1/4" thick.

    The other thing is the notch in the back of the iron and the skate. The skate on all of my plow planes (just one) is a 90 degree blunt edge (45 per side). If that skate edge is sharp it will hang up on the bottom of a non-sharp groove. The edge just needs blunting enough that both sides of the skate sit on both sides of the groove.

    This is touchy business filing the skate because overdoing it or failing to keep the edge in line with the bed of the iron will require more repair to the bed. The skates are on countersunk screws so they can't be tweaked into position.

    Good article. I was cleaning molding planes with white vinegar and simple green a while ago, didn't have Murphy's. The wax did the most for the appearance but whatever was dark stayed dark with the vinegar of simple green. Not liking the Howard's wood feed - takes too long to dry. Butchers dries pretty quick and Renaissance on metals is also fast.

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  12. Steve
    Yes, obviously a 5/16 iron sharpened numerous time will go down to 1/4 and be shorter. The one I have is not a worn out 5/16, its a 1/4 thick (tapered) and full length like the others.

    About the tapering of the rear skate to engage the slot in the back. Yes, we do not want to create a sharp point, just thin as little as possible to engage. As with anything I do to my tools less is more. Meaning I will try to do as little as possible to retain its original state, surfaces, parts etc. (like salvaging that almost destroyed wedge seen above)
    In this case, between lightly enlarging the slot and slightly thinning the sides just enough to register is all that is required. That problem about flexing is more pronounced with the smaller size irons. Also depend on how rank and the wood species, how uses and etc. If it work as is, leave it alone. Similarly the idea of filing the rear and front skate co planar should be only done if there is not much of a deviation. Because again, only do as needed. In my case, the Greenfield does show a small misalignment but it has not caused me any problems so far. That plane is used most often with the 1/2 in iron in it. as you get down in size it will start to be more finicky...
    if they are obviously bent, don`t file, there will be nothing left :-) Hope this clarify my muddy explanations.

    and yap, that Howard stuff takes a while to fully dry. Which is one reason I like it, it soak deep in the wood affording more protection.
    Some old dry wood really soak it in for a while.

    Bob, whose BP seems to be back in the safe zone

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  13. Steve
    How many passes to cut a groove with the Auburn?
    Don't know (not mine :-) but I can tell you that both G Davis and Greenfield take about the same. Of course the wood species affect it (should be straight grain), so does the sharpening of that edge and how set rank will affect. All I know is that it take me more time in maple than pine. and I set my cut shallower = more passes.

    One thing we did not mention yet is the fact that the plow has no cutter ahead to scribe the cut, so can you cut dado? :-)
    And incidentally that is why you want to start at the end and work backwards until you have establish the full length before taking full length stroke, which means... Yes there is a lot going on in that simple tool

    Bob

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  14. In all frankness, it never cease to amaze me how all the little subtleties to be found on simple looking tools combine to make it work...or fail. So much to learn. Ill never stop learning :-)

    Bob

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  15. Subtleties in all planes but the less there is meeting the eye the tougher to figure out. Planes like coffin smoothers and Japanese planes have no knobs or obvious adjustments to the unfamiliar. Huge range of performance from seemingly identical tools.

    I liked the Howard's OK on wood but the last I used it was to lube a plane sole and I got a 20 minute vacation that I wasn't expecting.

    1/2" is a big groove. What do you usually use that for?

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  16. Bob,

    Thanks, as usual with your tool write ups, very informative. I have a terrible wood plow jones, almost as bad as my chisel jones. I had to go out to the shop to check and was able to find 11 wood plows ranging from simple to complex and slightly rough to beautiful works of art. All work, some easier/better than others and most are more enjoyable to use than the metal versions. As you mentioned, most came with just one cutter but I have several sets of cutters that work with most of the plows.

    With your inspiration I may post a photo essay of the herd. BTW, with retirement coming up I've been of two minds, one simplify and cull to only the true users and spend my time making things and of course the other is keeping everything and enjoy rubbing on all the tools and keeping them in good shape. I'm not sure which side will win. My guess, I will just muddle along keeping everything and making a few things while occasionally wiping the dust off and sharpening the cutters as needed. Any of the three options would not be a bad life.

    ken

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  17. Steve
    Joinery. I used a lot of 1/2 in and 1/4 in the most. These grooves/dado/rabbet and dovetails are my goto joinery

    Bob

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  18. Which brings up another fun thing. When we say 1/2 inch and 1/4 inch these are really nominal values. Their actual measures would be approximative, close enough. think forged variations, slight changes thru restorations/sharpening etc. I do not really know what are the exact measurements of my tools, could not careless, imperial or metric :-) Whichever 1/2 inch tools I start using (plane, chisel) I keep using throughout a project. Well I try to, so many choices :-)
    Bottom line I make part A fit Part B.

    Since I use a lot ``grooves`` the plow(s) comes out to play to keep their place in the till(s)

    Bob, whose assortment of Grooving tools is ....enough for the jobs at hand :-)

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  19. Oh yes Ken i very much live that dilemmas everyday in retirement :-)

    But as you said, not a bad one to be in. Yes please id love to see your herd of wood plows, sound intetesting.

    Bob, who still has only 4 of them, still looking for a good affordable handled plow... just because :-)

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