I loved that car, paid just about twice as much as my last two cars combined, a Toyota 94 and a Nissan 02, but worth every penny.
This was our second Lincolns, having bought earlier a used 92 Town Car Cartier edition. Heather had a long history of kidney problems following radiation treatments for an earlier cancer. We bought this car, she jokingly referred to as her kidney cushion car
We really loved that car air suspension. The car had a slow air leak, the rear suspension would settled after a while. Upon starting the car, it would raise up. The bags finally went kaput on the highway and destroyed one of the rear tire. Did not felt much, but drivers around me were flashings me their lights, so I pulled over to see what the fuzz was all about. Oh, look at that I'm riding on 3 wheels.
Impressive suspension :-) And yes we rebuilt the suspension, but replaced the air bags with a strut kit that mimic the ride but would survived the cold weather much longer.
Meanwhile our day to day driver car, a Nissan 2002 was getting long in the tooth, I donated it to an In-law after rebuilding its suspension at 350,000 kms.
At the time we were stationed in Bagotville Qc (CF-18 Hornets), about 2-1/2 hours north of Quebec city. By February 2011 I had just completed 35 years of service, my pension was maxed out, time to seriously consider retirement.
The plan was then to buy our "retirement car" before leaving the service. Wanted something comfortable for long distance driving, after being spoiled with the Town car.
With kids in Ontario and Nova Scotia and Heather going to African Violets conventions and shows all over the US and Canada, we tend to rack up kms pretty fast.
You have no ideas how much fun (?) it is to drive with show plants all over :-)
We went looking to replace the Nissan, and found this gem on a dealer lot.
We bought it in Chicoutimi in early March 2011. The car was a return from a short lease, it had only 11,445 Kms and was like new with full warranty.
She was built in June 2010 at the Hermosillo plant in Mexico. My Nissan was also built in Mexico and my Toyota was built in Canada. Truly "world' cars.
The only small annoyance was that we bought it in March and without winter tires. Which meant we could not drive it until the mandatory winter tires season ended a few weeks later. Well worth the wait, and at that time we briefly had 3 cars in the yard: The Nissan 02, the Lincolns 92 and 10.
These three cars left with us, the Nissan was dropped off earlier in New Brunswick, both Lincolns were driven here.
We sold the 92 later on after I retired and were down to just the MKZ. It quickly racked up KMs for reasons explained above.
It went on to be a very reliable car and took us to many destinations.
Its first problem was a dead battery went we came back from Cuba in Jan 2014. I had parked the car inside at the airport, but nose out toward the outside, it's an open, not closed in, parking structure. There was a winter storm it froze and battery went dead. And to think I paid extra to park "inside" at the airport.
In 2015 after her lung operation for her cancer, we went to Boston and meet up with Ralph and his lovely wife Diane
In late summer 2017 Jean and I went to visits our sons in Ontario. Unbeknown to us we took a squirrel along for the ride.
On our way the AC start working less and less efficiently and it was a hot summer day. So had to get the car fixed before returning home. Could not get an appointment with any Lincoln or Ford dealers, but managed to get one with a local Air condition service shop.
Besides a problem with the seats heating/cooling module, and the occasional AC leaks (2), that was it for problems on this car. The most reliable car I owned so far. And I drove mostly Toyotas.
By now you probably realized that I really enjoyed this car and was planning to keep it longer. But unbeknown to me, there was a time bomb ticking under the hood. That Duratec engine has one critical design flaw. The water pump is inside the engine and driven by the timing chain.
This mean one of two failure scenarios:
Being bathing inside the oil area, if it leak it will quickly contaminate the oil and cause the engine to seized OR, like in my case, the pump will seized causing the timing chain to skip, damaged the engine and lock up solidly. Both scenario will scrap the engine, necessitating an engine change. Warning signs? None!
The car took us, Jean and I on our honeymoon this October, driving around Cap Breton NS, having to stay inside our COVID 19 Atlantic bubble.
As usual, trouble free trip, until I parked the car in the yard. It never started again since. Just a tick tick sound. Put it on my small battery tender, after a few days still NOGO, called CAA, driver tried to boost it, louder tick tick noises but still wont start.
Tow it to my local Ford dealer, they told me battery was dead, I authorized its replacement, then they said starter was not engaging, authorized its replacement but after they called back stating that engine appears to be seized. To investigate further they said would have to open engine. I stopped all work then. My other options given was to replace the engine. A used one with 195,000 kms and 90 days warranty would be over $5000 installed (about what the car would be worth with less Kms) Not worth it .
Settled my bill $910 and tow the car to another garage for a second opinion. Went with a small Mom and Pop garage, not another dealer. Should had gone there first!!!!
Turns out the engine was seized alright, my mechanic called it the classic Ford 3.5 Ltr V6 water pump scenario. Brought the car in on a Saturday evening after hours. He opened his shop and waited for me to arrive. Told me he would put it up the hoist first thing on Monday. Later that evening he send me his diagnostic complete with a small video showing me the problem. He said he was curious and could not wait till Monday :-)
My only annoyance is that I had no idea the engine was going to self destruct. It is a well known and documented problem(?) with that engine. I would had expect Ford technicians to gives me a heads up, or at least knew why my engine seized, its not that hard to tell looking thru the oil filler cap as shown above. Now, in its defense that engine has a life expectancy of 300,000 kms, mine ran trouble free until 316,734. So in effect I got a Ford bonus 16,734 extra kms :-) Between the water pump location in the engine, the noise suppression inside the engine compartment and the cabin, you don't hear much. Oh and that pump location makes it very expensive to repair. Would you believed US $2K to 3K to replace that pump? Owners took Ford to court over it, but lawsuit has just been dismissed, having failed to prove that Ford knowingly did them wrong. But would you know it, there also another legal challenge from Mazda owners of CX9, yes same Ford engine (Made in Japan, called MZ1) same Hara-Kiri disposition with the water pump.
Here in Halifax, one Lincoln Dealer has one mechanic that does only that, replacing those water pumps in these Duratec engine. He does one a day and they have a fixed price of Cdn $1452.90
That Ford Duratec engine V6 3.5 ltr is used in many Ford and yes, Nissan vehicles and the odd Volvo's.
Also goes by the family names Ford Cyclone and MZ1 in Japan
If you have one of those engines, I urged you to keep an eye on your Kms. You been warned.
And if you felt safer because it wont be happening to you... Surprise, most engines have a life of 250,000 kms before major failures. Ford is not the only one to bury the water pump inside the engine, but most other used the flat back side of the timing belt to drive it. Hence a pump failure will not dump coolant inside oil pan and take out your engine.
So what did I do with my car? Its not worth it for me to replaced the engine, but my mechanic has a young son with his first pick up truck. Offer to donate it to them. Could be a good father and son project if they can find an engine for it. Would make them a great winter car; AWD, traction and stability control, it really sticks to the road. And if not, should be able to get some money out of it.
I don't need a new lawn ornament :-)
In exchange he wiped out my bill and bought my new battery in the car. Everybody is happy.
And bonus I found myself a good mechanic. When you find one, keep him or her
After a few weeks of learning more about engines, came to the conclusion that they are making throw away cars. Built in obsolescence is one thing, but built in self destruct is another!!!
What will I buy next? I dunno, I really loved my Lincolns, and yes, I would buy another with same engine. But I am in no rush to buy my next comfy car. We cannot travel too far, used to be inside the Atlantic bubble, now that bubble is busted, and we can only travel within our own county region. That little Chevy Spark we got for city driving is plenty good for now. But I would never entertained driving to Ontario with it :-)
I already made my draft budget for 2021 before this latest monkey wrench in it, so sometimes around Summer perhaps, if the need arise. Or I can always rent a car.
Since we recently traded her truck for that Spark, we miss the truck, so we thought perhaps replace the truck? The prices are insane!!! I can buy one heck of a fully loaded Lincoln Continental or even a Navigator for cheaper, get serious!
Then we thought maybe a SUV. There is a 2017 MKC here with low 51,000 Kms. Drove it alongside the same year Ford Escape, nice ride, noticeable differences between both similar platform. Changes the wheels, the suspension, the seat, it's a different vehicle. I like it but it is bit small for my liking.
My Ford dealer in town just got two in, 2016 MKX ( I suspect they know me too well :-)
Nice, would not consider 2014 or 15 they had that stupid Microsoft drop down menus on the screen. I drove a 2014 MKZ while waiting for my car to be serviced once. Hated the stupid thing, had to pull over and read the book to figured out how to put the heat on my seat. Dumb dumb design. In 2016 they started rolling out the new system in use today.
Knowing what I now know about the engines that powered them. I would stay away from 4 cylinders with turbos, and rather stay with that V6 but would need to keep an eye on the Kms.
And finally, I'm getting challenged to find pictures, I recently also lost my Back Up 1 Tera Bytes HD :-(
Bob, down to a one car family
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Bob,
ReplyDeleteYep, your turn in the car barrel :-). Funny how all learning experiences cost either lots of money, pain, or both.
The best way to travel long distances by land is a motorhome. It is also the most costly, kinda like an airplane make a trip, put it in the shop, make another trip, put it in the shop. Repeat until dead or broke.
ken
That is quite a story. I would avoid the V6 altogether because selling a car with a known bad engine will affect resale.
ReplyDeleteI've had a few cars considered "bad years" for their model. My 93 Passat made it to 212000 miles before the head gasket and heater core conspired against me. My 99 Volvo burned an exhaust valve at 265k and I fixed it against my mechanic's advice. That car went on to 315k (miles) before getting rear ended.
The Ford design you mention sounds pretty dumb. I usually buy used cars which makes researching long term flaws possible.
Rodents are another thing. There is apparently soy based insulation on wire that critters love to eat. I know a few people whose harnesses needed major repair or replacement. Every time I pull covers to work on our cars there are acorns, seeds, and turds all over any horizontal spots.
Luckily none of our cars have any kms on them so we're safe.
Hi Ken
ReplyDeleteYup, that was a costly learning experience, I never suspect my car was about to self destruct, especially over a water pump...
The latest in forcing you to buy a new car more often :-(
At my ripe old age of past my Best Before Date, I really need that level of comfort. In the summer I drive with the AC on and the heat of my seat/lower back :-)
But that is only for long distances, I can get by with an Econo box for around town, about as far as we can go these days. We have been thinking of renting an RV a few times, not cheap, but it would be a lot more convenient to visit family and friends with 2 dogs.
I like to think that my next vehicle would be my last. I'm turning 64 shortly, keep the car for 8-10 years as usual and i'll be in my mid 70s, would I be alive, would I care to drive and maintain a car anymore? I could just rent one and even rent a car and driver if i need to :-)
Longevity? Hard to beat a Toyota Highlander, which explain their higher resale value
Bob, with cars and engines on the brain
Hi Steve
ReplyDeleteI would seriously re consider another same engine in my next Lincoln, but ill be wiser about the pump. Maybe even replace it mid life as insurance. Yes, the car was very dependable and comfortable. Resale value? That never enter in my calculations, I never traded my old cars. I either drive them payments free till the end or I gave them
to family members. But you are right, knowing that hidden time bomb, surely devalue it quickly. How fast they devaluate gives you some indication of shall we say...problems to look for?? :-)
Bob, who drove Ford, Plymouth, Toyota, Datsun, Nissan, Lincolns.
Never a GM, that Spark is our first one, but its made in Korea so should be good :-)
Bob, who has friends who worked for Ford Canada and GM Canada. And some a long time ago for Renault in St-Bruno Qc, my home town
sorry to read about the Lincoln going south on you. You hung on to it and pumped more money into for repairs than I would have. I would have traded/sold after the squirrel incident.
ReplyDeleteBob - you are far better than I am about doing your research (applies to car engines, as well as old tools). My Subaru is ready for replacement. Might go for a Toyota, based on reputation. Used or new, not sure ...
ReplyDeleteHonestly Ralph I did not pumped that much money into it. Regular maintenances; oil changes, tires, wipers, squirrels removal etc :-)
ReplyDeletey only expensive repairs were cause by pot hole Mass size and squirrels, not the car fault.
And yes, I am biased toward Lincolns, loved them :-)
Bob
Hi Matt
ReplyDeleteFirst I would never buy new. One word: DEPRECIATION
You can get more cars for less. Do your research first, ALL manufacturers had lemons, yes even the Japanese, Germans etc
You can quickly narrow down your search by looking at problems history. Some cars models reliability varies by model years.
Bottom line, whatever you intent to buy, do your research and take it to a trusted mechanic (not car dealership) for his opinion. Money well spent.
Two sources of car infos I watch a lot lately are Your car Angel
https://www.youtube.com/user/YourCarAngel
and Scotty Kilmer https://www.youtube.com/user/scottykilmer
Good luck
Bob
One last thing, buying a used certified car by the manufacturer, cost a bit more but you get peace of mind with extra warranty.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly not all manufacturers offer that service nor on all their models. They probably know something about their cars that we don't :-)
Bob, the car guru not by choice